diff --git a/src/specklepy/objects/base.py b/src/specklepy/objects/base.py
index a56bc84..bc9e7f9 100644
--- a/src/specklepy/objects/base.py
+++ b/src/specklepy/objects/base.py
@@ -251,6 +251,8 @@ def _validate_type(t: Optional[type], value: Any) -> Tuple[bool, Any]:
                 return False, value
             if value == []:
                 return True, value
+            if not hasattr(t, "__args__"):
+                return True, value
             t_items = t.__args__[0]  # type: ignore
             first_item_valid, _ = _validate_type(t_items, value[0])
             if first_item_valid:
@@ -260,6 +262,8 @@ def _validate_type(t: Optional[type], value: Any) -> Tuple[bool, Any]:
         if origin is tuple:
             if not isinstance(value, tuple):
                 return False, value
+            if not hasattr(t, "__args__"):
+                return True, value
             args = t.__args__  # type: ignore
             # we're not checking for empty tuple, cause tuple lengths must match
             if len(args) != len(value):
diff --git a/tests/unit/test_type_validation.py b/tests/unit/test_type_validation.py
index 52581b5..cde1c61 100644
--- a/tests/unit/test_type_validation.py
+++ b/tests/unit/test_type_validation.py
@@ -64,6 +64,7 @@ class FakeIntEnum(IntEnum):
         # same as the dict typing below...
         (List[int], [None, 2], True, [None, 2]),
         (List[Optional[int]], [None, 2], True, [None, 2]),
+        (List, ["foo", 2, "bar"], True, ["foo", 2, "bar"]),
         (Dict[str, int], {"foo": 1}, True, {"foo": 1}),
         (Dict[str, Optional[int]], {"foo": None}, True, {"foo": None}),
         # this case should be
@@ -72,6 +73,7 @@ class FakeIntEnum(IntEnum):
         (Dict[int, Base], {1: None}, True, {1: None}),
         (Dict[int, Base], {1: test_base}, True, {1: test_base}),
         (Tuple[int, str, str], (1, "foo", "bar"), True, (1, "foo", "bar")),
+        (Tuple, (1, "foo", "bar"), True, (1, "foo", "bar")),
         # given our current rules, this is the reality. Its just sad...
         (Tuple[str, str, str], (1, "foo", "bar"), True, ("1", "foo", "bar")),
         (Tuple[str, Optional[str], str], (1, None, "bar"), True, ("1", None, "bar")),